In this episode of the KIND Podcast, we sit down with Shelby County District Attorney Steve Mulroy and Assistant DA Jack Gould for a wide-ranging conversation that breaks through the noise around criminal justice.

From his roots in Brooklyn and civil liberties activism at Cornell, to his transformative work as a law professor and now Memphis’ top prosecutor, Steve shares the story of how his values shaped his path—and how those same values now guide one of the most powerful roles in the local justice system.

But this isn’t just a career retrospective.

This is a bold, honest discussion about the real work of justice: where it works, where it doesn’t, and how we build something better. Steve explains how rehabilitation, not just incarceration, is essential to public safety—and why “the DA needs to be the one saying that.” You’ll hear about innovative strategies to reduce recidivism, how AI is being used inside the DA’s office, and why human-centered approaches are more effective and more just.

We also explore the intersection between the justice system and the work we do at Hospitality Hub. Whether it’s diversion programs, housing after incarceration, or helping young people step off the path of reoffending, this conversation highlights just how critical collaboration is between public institutions and community organizations.

This episode is a must-watch (or listen) for anyone interested in building a smarter, more compassionate justice system.

Mulroy’s Personal Journey and Moral Compass:
One particularly striking moment in the episode comes when Steve Mulroy delves into the roots of his moral foundation. In a lighthearted but revealing anecdote, he shares that an unlikely teacher shaped his sense of justice: Star Trek. Growing up watching the show’s optimistic vision of a fair and inclusive future left a deep impression on him. The values of equality, compassion, and ethical leadership portrayed in Star Trek became guiding principles in Mulroy’s life. In fact, he even admits he once dreamed of reaching for the stars himself – literally – aspiring to become an astrophysicist in his youth. However, as Mulroy recounts, that passion for science eventually intersected with a deeper calling to help people here on Earth. He pivoted from studying the cosmos to studying the law, carrying those same ideals of justice into a career as a civil liberties lawyer. This personal detour from starry-eyed science to fighting for civil rights is a fascinating part of his backstory, and hearing him tell it offers a genuine glimpse of the convictions that drive him.

Early Convictions Shaping Justice Reform:
Mulroy explains that these early influences still profoundly shape his approach to criminal justice reform today. The moral lessons he absorbed – whether from Star Trek’s hopeful narratives or his scientific outlook – instilled in him a belief that the legal system can aspire to be better, fairer, and more humane. In the podcast, he reflects on how his background as a civil rights attorney and self-professed sci-fi geek guides his work as District Attorney. He emphasizes the importance of empathy and fairness in policy-making, noting that a truly just society “leaves no one behind,” echoing the inclusive ethos he’s held since childhood. From rethinking old punitive practices to championing innovative reforms, Mulroy approaches his role not as a traditional prosecutor but as a change-agent fueled by a clear moral compass. These candid reflections not only humanize Mulroy, they also underscore the depth of purpose behind his initiatives. It’s the kind of insight that draws you in – by the end of his story, you can’t help but feel inspired to hear more. The episode invites viewers to witness how a kid inspired by starship captains grew up to challenge the status quo in the justice system, making this conversation one that truly shines with inspiration and heart.